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	<title>Comments on: Clyfford Still&#8217;s Ultimate Joke?</title>
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		<title>by: Karl Ziper</title>
		<link>http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/610.html#comment-13286</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If I hadn't read this strange story, I would hardly glance at these paintings.

Having looked at them, I feel profoundly unmoved. They remind me of the patterns to be found on some airplane or bus seats. Is this just a problem of viewing images on the internet?

If this is going to rewrite the history of abstract expressionism, it indicates to me that abstract expressionism doesn't have much content... Wait a minute, well, you know what I mean. I'm not a big fan of abstract expressionism, but I feel like the genre is getting a raw deal here if it can be taken over by one nut with an attitude.

I prefer Palmer's linoleum to this work by a vast margin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I hadn&#8217;t read this strange story, I would hardly glance at these paintings.</p>
<p>Having looked at them, I feel profoundly unmoved. They remind me of the patterns to be found on some airplane or bus seats. Is this just a problem of viewing images on the internet?</p>
<p>If this is going to rewrite the history of abstract expressionism, it indicates to me that abstract expressionism doesn&#8217;t have much content&#8230; Wait a minute, well, you know what I mean. I&#8217;m not a big fan of abstract expressionism, but I feel like the genre is getting a raw deal here if it can be taken over by one nut with an attitude.</p>
<p>I prefer Palmer&#8217;s linoleum to this work by a vast margin.
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		<title>by: Jay Hoffman</title>
		<link>http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/610.html#comment-13248</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Forgot to mention: my dentist looks a lot like Clyfford Still and is quick to cast his own aspersions on the present state of art - especially when I am reduced to gargled replies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot to mention: my dentist looks a lot like Clyfford Still and is quick to cast his own aspersions on the present state of art - especially when I am reduced to gargled replies.
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		<title>by: Jay Hoffman</title>
		<link>http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/610.html#comment-13246</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I remember seeing a number of Stills in Buffalo some years ago. Their chronology seemed a reverse of their appearance as the earlier pieces were relatively behaved and appealing with the latest in harsh colors and the paint attacked to the surface in that torn manner. Judging from my small exposure, I'd have to say that there is justification for juxtaposition of the whole. However, that said, wouldn't we all like to have our work arrayed in some fashion in our own personal museums? I would tend to put Mr.Still's recalcitrance down to   predilection. Until recently Lee Bonticou   was content to do her magic on some farm in Pa. with small regard for the gallery scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember seeing a number of Stills in Buffalo some years ago. Their chronology seemed a reverse of their appearance as the earlier pieces were relatively behaved and appealing with the latest in harsh colors and the paint attacked to the surface in that torn manner. Judging from my small exposure, I&#8217;d have to say that there is justification for juxtaposition of the whole. However, that said, wouldn&#8217;t we all like to have our work arrayed in some fashion in our own personal museums? I would tend to put Mr.Still&#8217;s recalcitrance down to   predilection. Until recently Lee Bonticou   was content to do her magic on some farm in Pa. with small regard for the gallery scene.
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		<title>by: Alexis</title>
		<link>http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/610.html#comment-9765</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I love his painting and his style. There are some peices that I don't quite understand but most of his work I find both interesting and beautiful. I cannot wait to take a trip to the museum and see his work all together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love his painting and his style. There are some peices that I don&#8217;t quite understand but most of his work I find both interesting and beautiful. I cannot wait to take a trip to the museum and see his work all together.
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		<title>by: Birgit Zipser</title>
		<link>http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/610.html#comment-9757</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Alexis,

You did not tell us whether you yourself like his painting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexis,</p>
<p>You did not tell us whether you yourself like his painting.
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		<title>by: Alexis</title>
		<link>http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/610.html#comment-9756</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have recently become very interesting in Clyfford Still's paintings and his life in general after hearing of his wife's death and the sale of her last home. I lived two houses down from Patricia Still and I stopped by her home to say hello when I moved in but didn't see her very much after that.
Their home was recently sold and I obtained a piano at an estate auction that belonged to Clyfford Still which is when my interest in his paintings began. 
After speaking to countless numbers of people I have determined that Still's paintings are never to be sold and the reason they are to be kept together is because he believed that they each transitioned into each other. People who knew him have said that he believed the paintings had a flow to them that could only be seen when they were shown side my side. I think it's wonderful that his art will be displayed together in a museum just as he wished. He lead a very modest life with his wife and was nearly secluded from any other artist which I believe makes his art even more anticipated to be seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have recently become very interesting in Clyfford Still&#8217;s paintings and his life in general after hearing of his wife&#8217;s death and the sale of her last home. I lived two houses down from Patricia Still and I stopped by her home to say hello when I moved in but didn&#8217;t see her very much after that.<br />
Their home was recently sold and I obtained a piano at an estate auction that belonged to Clyfford Still which is when my interest in his paintings began.<br />
After speaking to countless numbers of people I have determined that Still&#8217;s paintings are never to be sold and the reason they are to be kept together is because he believed that they each transitioned into each other. People who knew him have said that he believed the paintings had a flow to them that could only be seen when they were shown side my side. I think it&#8217;s wonderful that his art will be displayed together in a museum just as he wished. He lead a very modest life with his wife and was nearly secluded from any other artist which I believe makes his art even more anticipated to be seen.
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		<title>by: Serge G.</title>
		<link>http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/610.html#comment-9258</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I suppose to burn all these painting on the backyard.</description>
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		<title>by: June</title>
		<link>http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/610.html#comment-9148</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Birgit,

An interesting question -- can you record your brain processes (while obsessively drawing rectangles with your eyes closed) using computer/electronic technology? And what would you use for a control -- eyes open? Circles? Squares?

oops, I think I misunderstood your question -- how long would all your brain processes turn into rectangles? Was that it?

I'm afraid I don't even have a snarky answer  &#60;snort&#62; -- I'm fond of indeterminate curved lines, myself.

Perhaps you and I aren't old enough yet to have gotten to the point where we can spend the rest of our lives on a single shape or integrated pattern. Truly I love looking at the colors of black, the shadings that can be created, the textures that pop out in the midst of the monochrome. But I can't bring myself to create them -- I always get distracted. I can like them without emulating, which is a cheerful thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birgit,</p>
<p>An interesting question &#8212; can you record your brain processes (while obsessively drawing rectangles with your eyes closed) using computer/electronic technology? And what would you use for a control &#8212; eyes open? Circles? Squares?</p>
<p>oops, I think I misunderstood your question &#8212; how long would all your brain processes turn into rectangles? Was that it?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid I don&#8217;t even have a snarky answer  &lt;snort&gt; &#8212; I&#8217;m fond of indeterminate curved lines, myself.</p>
<p>Perhaps you and I aren&#8217;t old enough yet to have gotten to the point where we can spend the rest of our lives on a single shape or integrated pattern. Truly I love looking at the colors of black, the shadings that can be created, the textures that pop out in the midst of the monochrome. But I can&#8217;t bring myself to create them &#8212; I always get distracted. I can like them without emulating, which is a cheerful thought.
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		<title>by: birgit</title>
		<link>http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/610.html#comment-9143</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>June,

I like a Rothko print in my daughter’s office. It is red and cheerful.

But I do find it peculiar that some people are inclined to produce the same type of simple geometric form over decades of their life.  Or, like in the case of Clyfford Still, patterns that integrate in similar ways. 

The last few days, I have been obsessing over rectangles. If I continue doing that, how long do you think it would it take until, drawing with my eyes closed like Jean Magnano-Bollinger, I would only draw rectangles while recording my brain processes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>June,</p>
<p>I like a Rothko print in my daughter’s office. It is red and cheerful.</p>
<p>But I do find it peculiar that some people are inclined to produce the same type of simple geometric form over decades of their life.  Or, like in the case of Clyfford Still, patterns that integrate in similar ways. </p>
<p>The last few days, I have been obsessing over rectangles. If I continue doing that, how long do you think it would it take until, drawing with my eyes closed like Jean Magnano-Bollinger, I would only draw rectangles while recording my brain processes?
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		<title>by: Richard Rothstein</title>
		<link>http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/610.html#comment-9128</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>No, what gives modern art a bad time is whenever I'm cleaning my shoes and I spill black shoe polish on newsprint and think to myself...hmmm...I'm pretty sure I've seen this in the Guggenheim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, what gives modern art a bad time is whenever I&#8217;m cleaning my shoes and I spill black shoe polish on newsprint and think to myself&#8230;hmmm&#8230;I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve seen this in the Guggenheim.
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		<title>by: June</title>
		<link>http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/610.html#comment-9085</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 05:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I find it amusing to think that an artist who refused marketing altogether, who laid down the kinds of conditions that would guarantee that he would have real trouble getting exhibitions, etc., should be accused, after his death, of being a Picasso-like "showman." The marketing folks just rolled over in their graves (as did, perhaps Still.) Somehow the rewards beyond the grave don't seem adequate to be seen as showmanship. But the grand opera is good!

It's his name that gets to me -- why not Clifford Styll?

In actual fact, I love Still's work, always have. But I had no idea that he had done so much. If it gets dumped on the market all at once, of course, its value will be greatly lessened -- scarcity being one of art's presumed selling points.

Now, Birgit, you should try liking Rothko. At the Portland Art Museum there are a couple of all black paintings on heavy paper (each about 10 feet by 10 feet) by one of Rothko's contemporaries whose name escapes me -- Noland? -- anyway, they are quite wonderful. Exhibited together, one is at a slightly wonky angle and so a widening white streak of wall can be seen between these two humoungous sheets of interestingly textured black elements. They have a real force.

On the other hand, my smart aleck 12 year old granddaughter said about them: "That's what gives modern art a bad name." But I think she was just being snarky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it amusing to think that an artist who refused marketing altogether, who laid down the kinds of conditions that would guarantee that he would have real trouble getting exhibitions, etc., should be accused, after his death, of being a Picasso-like &#8220;showman.&#8221; The marketing folks just rolled over in their graves (as did, perhaps Still.) Somehow the rewards beyond the grave don&#8217;t seem adequate to be seen as showmanship. But the grand opera is good!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s his name that gets to me &#8212; why not Clifford Styll?</p>
<p>In actual fact, I love Still&#8217;s work, always have. But I had no idea that he had done so much. If it gets dumped on the market all at once, of course, its value will be greatly lessened &#8212; scarcity being one of art&#8217;s presumed selling points.</p>
<p>Now, Birgit, you should try liking Rothko. At the Portland Art Museum there are a couple of all black paintings on heavy paper (each about 10 feet by 10 feet) by one of Rothko&#8217;s contemporaries whose name escapes me &#8212; Noland? &#8212; anyway, they are quite wonderful. Exhibited together, one is at a slightly wonky angle and so a widening white streak of wall can be seen between these two humoungous sheets of interestingly textured black elements. They have a real force.</p>
<p>On the other hand, my smart aleck 12 year old granddaughter said about them: &#8220;That&#8217;s what gives modern art a bad name.&#8221; But I think she was just being snarky.
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		<title>by: birgit</title>
		<link>http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/610.html#comment-9036</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Steve,

Isn't art by definition something 'unusual'.

You know that I love your abstract photography. 

My opinion is that it is better not to get stuck in something: A farmer, only growing potatoes - potatoes of various kinds -  would eventually deplete her soil. 
 
Perhaps that is like Rothko painting rectangles that become more and more monochromatic </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t art by definition something &#8216;unusual&#8217;.</p>
<p>You know that I love your abstract photography. </p>
<p>My opinion is that it is better not to get stuck in something: A farmer, only growing potatoes - potatoes of various kinds -  would eventually deplete her soil. </p>
<p>Perhaps that is like Rothko painting rectangles that become more and more monochromatic
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		<title>by: Steve Durbin</title>
		<link>http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/610.html#comment-9032</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'd grant that it's an unusual mind that would prefer abstract art (as artist or viewer). Of course, that kind of unusual is very good, in my view. I might even accept "peculiar." I just won't go so far as "diseased," if only for reasons of self-incrimination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d grant that it&#8217;s an unusual mind that would prefer abstract art (as artist or viewer). Of course, that kind of unusual is very good, in my view. I might even accept &#8220;peculiar.&#8221; I just won&#8217;t go so far as &#8220;diseased,&#8221; if only for reasons of self-incrimination.
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		<title>by: birgit</title>
		<link>http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/610.html#comment-9029</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>A fascinating post. What fun! 

Yesterday, the NYT had an article on an exhibition of Hélio Oiticica’s work in Houston, including his abstract painting. Today, we hear about Clyfford Still’s work going to Denver. A revival of abstract art in the middle of the country. 

His relationship with galleries and museums sounds a little extreme. The ultimate denunciation in the  later part of the 20th century must have been to compare something to Nazi gas chambers.  

At the danger of beating a dead horse, here we have another artist with a ‘peculiar mind’ who ended up doing only abstract paintings .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fascinating post. What fun! </p>
<p>Yesterday, the NYT had an article on an exhibition of Hélio Oiticica’s work in Houston, including his abstract painting. Today, we hear about Clyfford Still’s work going to Denver. A revival of abstract art in the middle of the country. </p>
<p>His relationship with galleries and museums sounds a little extreme. The ultimate denunciation in the  later part of the 20th century must have been to compare something to Nazi gas chambers.  </p>
<p>At the danger of beating a dead horse, here we have another artist with a ‘peculiar mind’ who ended up doing only abstract paintings .
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		<title>by: D.</title>
		<link>http://www.artandperception.com/2007/03/610.html#comment-9026</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It is pretty easy to understand Still's position, regardless of his intentions, but my sympathies are also limited by my lack of appreciation for his work.

Denver seems like a good place for them as they are somewhat above the treeline, Big, Sparse and Rocky, and have, maybe even some underlying Cowboy's determined independence.

Interestingly, the issue of how they are viewed together has made me rethink the Barnes Collection.  I have always sided with the collection staying together (it has been a favorite Viewing Experience) as Barnes insisted but I now wonder: why does he have the final say?  Because he had the money to own them?  Maybe Renoir didn't want his paintings to be seen ALWAYS next to a fork, etc.  

My thoughs wandered pretty far, eventually ending here: What if I was rich and I really really really despised Still's work. Does the collector have the right to destroy? What a terrible thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is pretty easy to understand Still&#8217;s position, regardless of his intentions, but my sympathies are also limited by my lack of appreciation for his work.</p>
<p>Denver seems like a good place for them as they are somewhat above the treeline, Big, Sparse and Rocky, and have, maybe even some underlying Cowboy&#8217;s determined independence.</p>
<p>Interestingly, the issue of how they are viewed together has made me rethink the Barnes Collection.  I have always sided with the collection staying together (it has been a favorite Viewing Experience) as Barnes insisted but I now wonder: why does he have the final say?  Because he had the money to own them?  Maybe Renoir didn&#8217;t want his paintings to be seen ALWAYS next to a fork, etc.  </p>
<p>My thoughs wandered pretty far, eventually ending here: What if I was rich and I really really really despised Still&#8217;s work. Does the collector have the right to destroy? What a terrible thought.
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