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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2008/03/natural-abstracts.html#comment-87473</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve:

I, my aching back and beleaguered car are here to tell you that these images are not at all amusing. It's all melting into the usual accumulation of brown and stranded heaps and the streets are awash. Spring cannot come too soon. But I must admit that a few nights ago it was a fairyland of glitter and snow, fashioned in the spirit of Dr.Seuss. 

I agree with June: the second image is remarkable. The other images are clear about the relationship of river to snow, but number two is all subtlety and inference. One thing that you may have already mentioned is the glow in the center of more than one image that reminds me, for some reason, of the old classic, The Day The Earth  Stood Still. It's an unearthly kind of glow and I'm a little ambivalent about it. 

It's a matter of how I frame my thoughts concerning the grass poking through the snow. On the one hand it takes me to another time of year, perhaps, and the image assumes the shape of a narrative. That's good and the image works in that reference. However, if I've grown attached to the purity of snow and flow as seen in the others, it then can be a little scratchy: as though one of your lovely horses may be standing expectantly off to a side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:</p>
<p>I, my aching back and beleaguered car are here to tell you that these images are not at all amusing. It&#8217;s all melting into the usual accumulation of brown and stranded heaps and the streets are awash. Spring cannot come too soon. But I must admit that a few nights ago it was a fairyland of glitter and snow, fashioned in the spirit of Dr.Seuss. </p>
<p>I agree with June: the second image is remarkable. The other images are clear about the relationship of river to snow, but number two is all subtlety and inference. One thing that you may have already mentioned is the glow in the center of more than one image that reminds me, for some reason, of the old classic, The Day The Earth  Stood Still. It&#8217;s an unearthly kind of glow and I&#8217;m a little ambivalent about it. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a matter of how I frame my thoughts concerning the grass poking through the snow. On the one hand it takes me to another time of year, perhaps, and the image assumes the shape of a narrative. That&#8217;s good and the image works in that reference. However, if I&#8217;ve grown attached to the purity of snow and flow as seen in the others, it then can be a little scratchy: as though one of your lovely horses may be standing expectantly off to a side.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Durbin</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2008/03/natural-abstracts.html#comment-87359</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Durbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>June,

How do I blush on the Internet?

You bring up a great point about the relative transience of these forms, and that's especially interesting as a contrast to their apparent massive solidity. Those largish shapes were part of the attraction, and they're more interesting as emphasized above a small branch stream than they are along the main river.

As for touching or interacting: I do have one photograph in which the jagged edge (as opposed to these mostly rounded ones) is the result of a fracture caused by my too close approach. And at the center of the rock in the first image, a bird has been hopping about (hard to identify, but note the lack of tracks on either bank). Another features a coyote (or fox?) trail, though it's not so successful otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>June,</p>
<p>How do I blush on the Internet?</p>
<p>You bring up a great point about the relative transience of these forms, and that&#8217;s especially interesting as a contrast to their apparent massive solidity. Those largish shapes were part of the attraction, and they&#8217;re more interesting as emphasized above a small branch stream than they are along the main river.</p>
<p>As for touching or interacting: I do have one photograph in which the jagged edge (as opposed to these mostly rounded ones) is the result of a fracture caused by my too close approach. And at the center of the rock in the first image, a bird has been hopping about (hard to identify, but note the lack of tracks on either bank). Another features a coyote (or fox?) trail, though it&#8217;s not so successful otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2008/03/natural-abstracts.html#comment-87334</link>
		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

I am still blown away by these photographs. They are exquisite.

Like Birgit, I think the slight fall off in light at the edges enhances the rounded shapes that you are investigating. The shadows continue the experience of tangible roundness, like clouds you could fall into and that show their shapes solely through light and dark. 

The pristine surfaces are tantalizing, like the edge of a cliff tantalizes. One wants to mess them up (or jump off the cliff) at the same time that one wants to possess them as is, which is of course impossible. Maybe it's the impossibility of owning or retaining or interacting with the shapes that is so stunning. I'm accustomed to control, but here, there's the absolute "If you touch it, you no longer have it." But I also have the knowledge that the snow like this will disappear anyway. And yet these images are left behind, caught by the sensitive eye of the photographer. Miraculous.

I would like to be able to paint these, but I doubt that I could. I wonder if any painter has managed to do so.

I liked your phrase: "the young Gallatin River is still figuring out where it belongs" and thought I'd be seeing something related to that, but these are old forms, ancient forms, enduring forms, forms that  are both enticing and fragile. And also in some sense eternal, there whether seen or not, simply a part of the rhythms of the earth which go on with or without us. They are like the art of the Tibetans monks, which takes weeks to assemble out of colored sand -- and then gets scattered. I always had the feeling that if I breathed too hard, the sand would blow into incoherence. I am holding my breath looking at these photos, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>I am still blown away by these photographs. They are exquisite.</p>
<p>Like Birgit, I think the slight fall off in light at the edges enhances the rounded shapes that you are investigating. The shadows continue the experience of tangible roundness, like clouds you could fall into and that show their shapes solely through light and dark. </p>
<p>The pristine surfaces are tantalizing, like the edge of a cliff tantalizes. One wants to mess them up (or jump off the cliff) at the same time that one wants to possess them as is, which is of course impossible. Maybe it&#8217;s the impossibility of owning or retaining or interacting with the shapes that is so stunning. I&#8217;m accustomed to control, but here, there&#8217;s the absolute &#8220;If you touch it, you no longer have it.&#8221; But I also have the knowledge that the snow like this will disappear anyway. And yet these images are left behind, caught by the sensitive eye of the photographer. Miraculous.</p>
<p>I would like to be able to paint these, but I doubt that I could. I wonder if any painter has managed to do so.</p>
<p>I liked your phrase: &#8220;the young Gallatin River is still figuring out where it belongs&#8221; and thought I&#8217;d be seeing something related to that, but these are old forms, ancient forms, enduring forms, forms that  are both enticing and fragile. And also in some sense eternal, there whether seen or not, simply a part of the rhythms of the earth which go on with or without us. They are like the art of the Tibetans monks, which takes weeks to assemble out of colored sand &#8212; and then gets scattered. I always had the feeling that if I breathed too hard, the sand would blow into incoherence. I am holding my breath looking at these photos, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Durbin</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2008/03/natural-abstracts.html#comment-87007</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Durbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Birgit,

The tendency to see anthropomorphic forms is almost irresistible. The more I learn about brain development (including perception), the more I believe social interactions were a major driving force for that development. We're all looking for someone to groom (or perhaps to groom us).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birgit,</p>
<p>The tendency to see anthropomorphic forms is almost irresistible. The more I learn about brain development (including perception), the more I believe social interactions were a major driving force for that development. We&#8217;re all looking for someone to groom (or perhaps to groom us).</p>
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		<title>By: Birgit</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2008/03/natural-abstracts.html#comment-86969</link>
		<dc:creator>Birgit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

Maybe, I am trying too hard to relearn my anatomy or perhaps, I have looked at too many of Jacob Collins nudes, but my first impression of picture two was anthropomorphic - buttocks.

I do like the lighting introduced by lens imperfections. It mimics the way painters highlight things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>Maybe, I am trying too hard to relearn my anatomy or perhaps, I have looked at too many of Jacob Collins nudes, but my first impression of picture two was anthropomorphic - buttocks.</p>
<p>I do like the lighting introduced by lens imperfections. It mimics the way painters highlight things.</p>
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		<title>By: Birgit</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2008/03/natural-abstracts.html#comment-86904</link>
		<dc:creator>Birgit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both images are stunning to me as shown. 

They inspire me to head out to recover from having spent a long day in a room without a window.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both images are stunning to me as shown. </p>
<p>They inspire me to head out to recover from having spent a long day in a room without a window.</p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2008/03/natural-abstracts.html#comment-86892</link>
		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

At the risk of revealing my ignorance and insufficiently educated taste in photography, may I say that the last photo is perfect. In particular, the bits of twigs, I think, are a fine counter to the flow of the rest. About the light, I'm not so sure, but I have always loved what snow and wind can produce in the way of finite eternity -- and you've captured it. Sorry to be so uncritical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>At the risk of revealing my ignorance and insufficiently educated taste in photography, may I say that the last photo is perfect. In particular, the bits of twigs, I think, are a fine counter to the flow of the rest. About the light, I&#8217;m not so sure, but I have always loved what snow and wind can produce in the way of finite eternity &#8212; and you&#8217;ve captured it. Sorry to be so uncritical.</p>
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