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		<title>By: melanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Birgit
Re #17 above 
Glad to have helped. I have trouble getting my oh-so-contemporary young ones to wrap their minds around Samuel Johnson -- who is quite sly and rather elegantly sarcastic once you settle into the 18th-century sentence structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birgit<br />
Re #17 above<br />
Glad to have helped. I have trouble getting my oh-so-contemporary young ones to wrap their minds around Samuel Johnson &#8212; who is quite sly and rather elegantly sarcastic once you settle into the 18th-century sentence structure.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Durbin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Durbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The compromise seems reasonable when it's necessary to select a single "winner." For purposes of feedback, providing multiple opinions is not only more likely useful for the artist, but also underlines the subjectivity of the process, which may help reduce the impacts of any disappointments or disagreements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The compromise seems reasonable when it&#8217;s necessary to select a single &#8220;winner.&#8221; For purposes of feedback, providing multiple opinions is not only more likely useful for the artist, but also underlines the subjectivity of the process, which may help reduce the impacts of any disappointments or disagreements.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2008/04/critiques-some-thoughts.html#comment-100880</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Birgit
Yes this is unfortunate, feedback sometimes gets compromised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birgit<br />
Yes this is unfortunate, feedback sometimes gets compromised.</p>
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		<title>By: Birgit</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2008/04/critiques-some-thoughts.html#comment-100747</link>
		<dc:creator>Birgit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

Good to know that one can expect from a panel to arrive only at a common denominator rather than to appreciate the unique. Thus, not being a winner would be a more desirable position to be in. (my contrary streak)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Good to know that one can expect from a panel to arrive only at a common denominator rather than to appreciate the unique. Thus, not being a winner would be a more desirable position to be in. (my contrary streak)</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the movie "Ratatouille" (I know, I am not very deep) the critic succumbs to his memory of his youth and because of this declares the chef the greatest ever. The point that I am looking to make is that more often then not we can't get ourselves out of the way and our personal likes and dislikes are a huge part of any critique we do.
 
I understand that in a academic setting there is a need to apply a system for judging progress, skill, the ability to follow rules etc. But if art is to be synonymous with creativity, then how you do something becomes less important then what you've done.
 
Yes I sometimes make a note on what not to forget when I start a painting, but once the (metaphorically) music starts to play the rhythm takes over and I am dancing, no longer paying attention to my notes. My feet or my brushes are taking me where I need to go.
 
Recently I was on a panel to select winners at a high school art exhibit. One of my fellow judges was an architect and we disagreed on two abstract paintings. The painting that I liked I saw as being entertaining (he laughed at me) and the painting that he liked he saw as being well constructed.  We settled on another painting that was &lt;strong&gt;reasonably&lt;/strong&gt; both entertaining and well constructed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the movie &#8220;Ratatouille&#8221; (I know, I am not very deep) the critic succumbs to his memory of his youth and because of this declares the chef the greatest ever. The point that I am looking to make is that more often then not we can&#8217;t get ourselves out of the way and our personal likes and dislikes are a huge part of any critique we do.</p>
<p>I understand that in a academic setting there is a need to apply a system for judging progress, skill, the ability to follow rules etc. But if art is to be synonymous with creativity, then how you do something becomes less important then what you&#8217;ve done.</p>
<p>Yes I sometimes make a note on what not to forget when I start a painting, but once the (metaphorically) music starts to play the rhythm takes over and I am dancing, no longer paying attention to my notes. My feet or my brushes are taking me where I need to go.</p>
<p>Recently I was on a panel to select winners at a high school art exhibit. One of my fellow judges was an architect and we disagreed on two abstract paintings. The painting that I liked I saw as being entertaining (he laughed at me) and the painting that he liked he saw as being well constructed.  We settled on another painting that was <strong>reasonably</strong> both entertaining and well constructed.</p>
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		<title>By: Birgit</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2008/04/critiques-some-thoughts.html#comment-100321</link>
		<dc:creator>Birgit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 08:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melanie,

Inspirational comments. Teaching a course on neurobiology (embryonic development/neurological diseases), my major concern, so far, has been to help undergraduates to cope with challenges presented by the original literature. Reading your comments, I am thinking about  stimulating more creative discussions of the research (depending, how soon I will reinvent myself as an artist).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melanie,</p>
<p>Inspirational comments. Teaching a course on neurobiology (embryonic development/neurological diseases), my major concern, so far, has been to help undergraduates to cope with challenges presented by the original literature. Reading your comments, I am thinking about  stimulating more creative discussions of the research (depending, how soon I will reinvent myself as an artist).</p>
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		<title>By: melanie</title>
		<link>http://artandperception.com/2008/04/critiques-some-thoughts.html#comment-100272</link>
		<dc:creator>melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 05:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My primary intentions with the workshop questions are to let the workshopping process function while the students are developing an understanding of the dozen or so components of narrative that are in play at given moment in a writing, and to pre-empt the devolution into what truly is a dead-end:
“I liked it.”
“What did you like about it?”
“I dunno. But I really liked it.”

When I say that there’s no substantive difference between and among the review practices of various disciplines, I mean that, inasmuch as all the disciplines include training in how to think about problems, they have more in common than it might at first seem. And since all the disciplines are peopled with people, they have the same range of anxieties that go with the territory of being a person.

Certainly, other forms, regardless of their Balkanizing into categories such as “art” and “science” will have their idiosyncratic languages and will have other foundational keys to approaching the work. At a recent SAQA (Studio Art Quilt Associates) meeting, for example, the moderator introduced a process for critiquing that used a similar foundational approach — What is the silhouette of the piece? What are the main colors? How big is it? Abstract? Realistic? Is there a subject? If so, what is it? — before moving into more subjective areas about how these components reveal the artist’s intention and inform or direct the viewer’s reception of the work. 

In "A Brief Tour of Human Consciousness," V. S. Ramachandran has a fascinating chapter on the perception of art, including what he suggests as the 10 universal laws of art. Dr Ramachandran is a neurobiologist and psychologist and, as the Director of the Center for Brain and Cognition at UCal San Diego, has been doing some extraordinary work on consciousness. He’s very good at explicating the neurochemistry of thinking and feeling. The chapter concerning art &#38;c (“The Artful Brain”) is available at: http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ffpiu049.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My primary intentions with the workshop questions are to let the workshopping process function while the students are developing an understanding of the dozen or so components of narrative that are in play at given moment in a writing, and to pre-empt the devolution into what truly is a dead-end:<br />
“I liked it.”<br />
“What did you like about it?”<br />
“I dunno. But I really liked it.”</p>
<p>When I say that there’s no substantive difference between and among the review practices of various disciplines, I mean that, inasmuch as all the disciplines include training in how to think about problems, they have more in common than it might at first seem. And since all the disciplines are peopled with people, they have the same range of anxieties that go with the territory of being a person.</p>
<p>Certainly, other forms, regardless of their Balkanizing into categories such as “art” and “science” will have their idiosyncratic languages and will have other foundational keys to approaching the work. At a recent SAQA (Studio Art Quilt Associates) meeting, for example, the moderator introduced a process for critiquing that used a similar foundational approach — What is the silhouette of the piece? What are the main colors? How big is it? Abstract? Realistic? Is there a subject? If so, what is it? — before moving into more subjective areas about how these components reveal the artist’s intention and inform or direct the viewer’s reception of the work. </p>
<p>In &#8220;A Brief Tour of Human Consciousness,&#8221; V. S. Ramachandran has a fascinating chapter on the perception of art, including what he suggests as the 10 universal laws of art. Dr Ramachandran is a neurobiologist and psychologist and, as the Director of the Center for Brain and Cognition at UCal San Diego, has been doing some extraordinary work on consciousness. He’s very good at explicating the neurochemistry of thinking and feeling. The chapter concerning art &amp;c (“The Artful Brain”) is available at: <a href="http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ffpiu049.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ffpiu049.pdf</a></p>
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